Yelp’s Challenges on Display in NYT Comments

One of the comments responding to my earlier Yelp piece, about the company’s efforts to do a better job explaining its algorithm, said the following:

Unfortunately, you didn’t put the link to the NYT article which shows readers’ “comments”. There are now 64 comments from businesses all over the country. 95% of which say they were extorted, and cite specifics. 

That prompted me to go and take a look at the comments, responding to the NY Times article Q&A with Yelp CEO Jeremy Stoppelman.  I typically never pay attention to comments on a news story. I wasn’t trying to hide anything; I simply didn’t think to look for them. 

While the quote above sees conclusive evidence of extortion, I do not see that. I see confusion, frustration and resentment among some business owners. There are comments in support of Yelp and how it empowers the consumer. But I’ve selected a few critical comments to illustrate some of the frustration and confusion:

There’s an irony here: many of the “reviews” of Yelp appended to the NYT article are from anonymous readers. Nonetheless, what the comments above and others in response to the article show is that Yelp has an aggressive sales force. That is overlaid on top of SMB perceptions that reviews are manipulated according to whether a business is an advertiser. Indeed, reviews and review placement is “manipulated” to a limited degree. Here are the ways:

  • Yelp allows advertisers to select a “favorite review” to place at the top of the page (thus “manipulating” reviews)
  • Yelp removes the “you might also consider” suggestion of a competing business that would otherwise appear (for those who advertise; again contributing to a perception of “manipulation”)

The practices above are not uncommon or unique to Yelp. As one example, Google on its Place Pages shows “nearby places you might like,” which includes competitive businesses

But when you add all this to the fact that Yelp’s algorithm removes positive reviews in circumstances where the reviewers are suspect (i.e., they don’t have a track record on Yelp) you get a kind of perfect storm of frustration and confusion among some SMBs. That is now being expressed in these lawsuits in the form of “extortion” accusations. 

I can see how the aggressiveness of sales people and these other factors fuel a perception of “extortion.” However I believe the litigation will ultimately be unsuccessful as a legal matter.

The larger and more significant problem is the potential damage to Yelp’s reputation among SMBs and would-be advertisers who see many of their negative “suspicions” confirmed by the lawsuits. That’s the real challenge the site now faces.

5 Responses to “Yelp’s Challenges on Display in NYT Comments”

  1. Marcus Keith Says:

    Yelp is not alone, among IYPs – of course we know that the big IYPs like DEX. Yellowpages.com, and Idearc have their own class-action and fraud challenges percolating, but based on our own experience and research we can expect more of these aimed at the newer “darlings” of local-directory review media – certainly AngiesList is getting close with very similar allegations brewing. Who’s next? Stay tuned!

  2. Adam Says:

    I am curious how removing certain questionable reviews could cause this perception among merchants. If the algorithm removes them when they are submitted, they would not appear in the first place, so merchants wouldn’t be aware of them. So either the algorithm allows all reviews to post, then reviews them (unlikely), or smething else must be causing this perception.

  3. Jeff @ Local.com Says:

    I think may what have really happened here is two fold:

    1) At some point, there were probably some bad sales folks on the floor at Yelp that probably claimed they could help out with things to get the sale;

    2) The review engine does work in fact the way that Greg (and Yelp) claims it does

    Tie those two things together and suddenly you have customers who think they’ve been screwed over by the machine.

    Unfortunately, I think Yelp is handling this a little poorly by just stating, “hey, it’s not us being bad, it’s the programming!” while they should have come out and said, “Hey, we found the bad apples on the sales force and fired them cold. We never actually messed with the reviews, that’s just the way the system works, but we can see how these poor employees could have started this confusion, please accept this lovely bag of oranges…” or something, I’m not in legal.

    The point is, they’re not helping things by putting themselves out there as the poor, picked on company that just has customers who just “don’t get it”.

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